Euphemism for tip/dump

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

It was a "Civic Amenity Site" in these parts not long ago, but nowadays
it's a "Household Waste Recycling Site", which does seem more honest.

HVS

2021-06-14 14:13:49 UTC

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

It was a "Civic Amenity Site" in these parts not long ago, but
nowadays it's a "Household Waste Recycling Site", which does seem
more honest.

That's what ours is called (well, ours is a "HWR Centre" rather than a
"HWR Site"), but while it's still referred to informally as "the tip",
that always slightly unsettles me.

A Household Waste Recycling Site has separate skips for wood, garden
waste, metal, cardboard, wood, rubble, small electrical appliances,
etc. and one for general household stuff that can't be recycled.

But my mental image when someone says "the tip" is still a landfill
site: enormous piles of undifferentiated rubbish being shaped by JCBs
or bull-dozers; lots of gulls flying around.

All "Household Waste Recycling Sites" are "tips", but you can't refer
to a "tip" and assume that people will think of an HWRS.

--
Cheers,
Harvey

occam

2021-06-14 15:33:22 UTC

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

It was a "Civic Amenity Site" in these parts not long ago, but
nowadays it's a "Household Waste Recycling Site", which does seem
more honest.

That's what ours is called (well, ours is a "HWR Centre" rather than a
"HWR Site"), but while it's still referred to informally as "the tip",
that always slightly unsettles me.
A Household Waste Recycling Site has separate skips for wood, garden
waste, metal, cardboard, wood, rubble, small electrical appliances,
etc. and one for general household stuff that can't be recycled.
But my mental image when someone says "the tip" is still a landfill
site: enormous piles of undifferentiated rubbish being shaped by JCBs
or bull-dozers; lots of gulls flying around.

What? No lower-caste women and children scavenging on mountains of
rubbish?

Post by HVS
All "Household Waste Recycling Sites" are "tips", but you can't refer
to a "tip" and assume that people will think of an HWRS.

I disagree with 'tip' = 'HWRS'. Normally recycling centres are those
open to private persons/households (rubbish sorting centres) , while
tips are places where lorry drivers take assorted lorry-loads for dumping.

HVS

2021-06-14 16:51:04 UTC

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign
said "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

It was a "Civic Amenity Site" in these parts not long ago, but
nowadays it's a "Household Waste Recycling Site", which does
seem more honest.

That's what ours is called (well, ours is a "HWR Centre" rather
than a "HWR Site"), but while it's still referred to informally
as "the tip", that always slightly unsettles me.
A Household Waste Recycling Site has separate skips for wood,
garden waste, metal, cardboard, wood, rubble, small electrical
appliances, etc. and one for general household stuff that can't
be recycled.
But my mental image when someone says "the tip" is still a
landfill site: enormous piles of undifferentiated rubbish being
shaped by JCBs or bull-dozers; lots of gulls flying around.

What? No lower-caste women and children scavenging on mountains of
rubbish?

Post by HVS
All "Household Waste Recycling Sites" are "tips", but you can't
refer to a "tip" and assume that people will think of an HWRS.

I disagree with 'tip' = 'HWRS'. Normally recycling centres are
those open to private persons/households (rubbish sorting centres)
, while tips are places where lorry drivers take assorted
lorry-loads for dumping.

A reasonable distinction, but our HWRS will take at least some
commercial vehicles for a fee; there's no charge for private
vehicles, unless you're dumping building rubble, which attracts a
£2.50 charge per rubble sack, for private householders. [1]

I'm surprised, though, that you wouldn't call it a "tip" (informally,
as noted). I can't think of any situation where I'd say "I need to
take some stuff to the recycling depot" -- let alone "to the
Household Waste Recycling Centre" -- instead of "I need to take some
stuff to the tip" (or "make a tip trip"). [2]

[1] If you're a private householder using a commercial vehicle -- say
you've borrowed a builder's van -- you have to convince them that
you're legitimately private. I have no idea how you do that.

[2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff off,
so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way* better than
the queues that used to build up to enter the site, and I hope they
keep the booking system when the lockdown restrictions finally
disappear.

--
Cheers, Harvey

soup

2021-06-14 18:41:43 UTC

Post by HVS
[1] If you're a private householder using a commercial vehicle -- say
you've borrowed a builder's van -- you have to convince them that
you're legitimately private. I have no idea how you do that.

Here (Balerno , Edinburgh, Scotland [we use the Sighthill recycling
centre])if you are in a liveried van there is no convincing anyone, you
ARE a company (get yee to Seafield where trade waste can be unloaded for
a fee). If you have had to hire a van you must show the rental
agreement to prove it is a rented van (yes even if it has Hertz van
rental on the side) if you want to be treated as a resident and get free
waste services

Post by HVS
[2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff off,
so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way* better than
the queues that used to build up to enter the site, and I hope they
keep the booking system when the lockdown restrictions finally
disappear.

We too have a booking system .You have to jump through all these hoops
and carry a piece of paper containing you appointment details and a
reference number . Then the chap(s) at the site just wave you through
no checing of anything (they do seem to look at the registration number
of the car so perhaps their i-Pads (other tablets are available) show
GH65 NHG arriving at 10:30 so if you are about that time they just
assume everything else is correct

HVS

2021-06-15 13:34:13 UTC

-snip-

Post by soup

Post by HVS
[2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff
off, so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way*
better than the queues that used to build up to enter the site,
and I hope they keep the booking system when the lockdown
restrictions finally disappear.

We too have a booking system .You have to jump through all these
hoops and carry a piece of paper containing you appointment
details and a reference number . Then the chap(s) at the site
just wave you through no checing of anything (they do seem to look
at the registration number of the car so perhaps their i-Pads
(other tablets are available) show GH65 NHG arriving at 10:30 so
if you are about that time they just assume everything else is
correct

Oddly enough, our guys are quite studious about checking that you're on
the list. It probably depends on whether the contract has any
penalties for letting un-booked vehicles through (although I don't know
how that might work).

--
Cheers, Harvey

CDB

2021-06-15 11:09:40 UTC

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign
said "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

It was a "Civic Amenity Site" in these parts not long ago, but
nowadays it's a "Household Waste Recycling Site", which does
seem more honest.

That's what ours is called (well, ours is a "HWR Centre" rather
than a "HWR Site"), but while it's still referred to informally
as "the tip", that always slightly unsettles me.
A Household Waste Recycling Site has separate skips for wood,
garden waste, metal, cardboard, wood, rubble, small electrical
appliances, etc. and one for general household stuff that can't
be recycled.
But my mental image when someone says "the tip" is still a
landfill site: enormous piles of undifferentiated rubbish being
shaped by JCBs or bull-dozers; lots of gulls flying around.

What? No lower-caste women and children scavenging on mountains of
rubbish?

Post by HVS
All "Household Waste Recycling Sites" are "tips", but you can't
refer to a "tip" and assume that people will think of an HWRS.

I disagree with 'tip' = 'HWRS'. Normally recycling centres are
those open to private persons/households (rubbish sorting centres)
, while tips are places where lorry drivers take assorted
lorry-loads for dumping.

A reasonable distinction, but our HWRS will take at least some
commercial vehicles for a fee; there's no charge for private
vehicles, unless you're dumping building rubble, which attracts a
Ł2.50 charge per rubble sack, for private householders. [1]
I'm surprised, though, that you wouldn't call it a "tip"
(informally, as noted). I can't think of any situation where I'd say
"I need to take some stuff to the recycling depot" -- let alone "to
the Household Waste Recycling Centre" -- instead of "I need to take
some stuff to the tip" (or "make a tip trip"). [2]
[1] If you're a private householder using a commercial vehicle --
say you've borrowed a builder's van -- you have to convince them
that you're legitimately private. I have no idea how you do that.
[2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff off,
so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way* better
than the queues that used to build up to enter the site, and I hope
they keep the booking system when the lockdown restrictions finally
disappear.

Informally, among my friends and relations: "I'm carting some stuff to
the Recycle. Got anything I can take?"

that's rare, though. Every week or two, our waste collection service
takes paper and cardboard/ cans, plastics, and bottles/ compostable food
waste/ and unrecyclables, separately, to dump or the Recycle on our
behalf. What they decide they can't use goes into the waste stream.

--
Recyclers work so near the dump
That almost every day
Enlightened labourers can look out
On rats and gulls at play.

HVS

2021-06-15 13:47:29 UTC

-snip-

Post by HVS
I'm surprised, though, that you wouldn't call it a "tip"
(informally, as noted). I can't think of any situation where I'd
say "I need to take some stuff to the recycling depot" -- let
alone "to the Household Waste Recycling Centre" -- instead of "I
need to take some stuff to the tip" (or "make a tip trip"). [2]
[1] If you're a private householder using a commercial vehicle --
say you've borrowed a builder's van -- you have to convince them
that you're legitimately private. I have no idea how you do
that.
[2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff
off, so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way*
better than the queues that used to build up to enter the site,
and I hope they keep the booking system when the lockdown
restrictions finally disappear.

Informally, among my friends and relations: "I'm carting some
stuff to the Recycle. Got anything I can take?"
that's rare, though. Every week or two, our waste collection
service takes paper and cardboard/ cans, plastics, and bottles/
compostable food waste/ and unrecyclables, separately, to dump or
the Recycle on our behalf. What they decide they can't use goes
into the waste stream.

It varies quite remarkably between local councils. Ours does
something similar every fortnight for glass, paper, cardboard, and
garden waste -- grass clippings and pruning, mainly (for which we pay
an extra fee) -- but there's no food waste service.

Every month or two, though, we seem to discard enough stuff to merit
a tip trip -- broken things, miscellaneous bits of metal and wood,
and larger garden waste (bushes that my wife the gardener has given
up on, or broken/discarded plant pots -- there are only so many
shards of terracotta that we can make use of).

--
Cheers,
Harvey

CDB

2021-06-16 13:26:25 UTC

Post by HVS
-snip-

Post by HVS
I'm surprised, though, that you wouldn't call it a "tip"
(informally, as noted). I can't think of any situation where
I'd say "I need to take some stuff to the recycling depot" --
let alone "to the Household Waste Recycling Centre" -- instead of
"I need to take some stuff to the tip" (or "make a tip trip").
[2]
[1] If you're a private householder using a commercial vehicle
-- say you've borrowed a builder's van -- you have to convince
them that you're legitimately private. I have no idea how you
do that.
[2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff
off, so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way*
better than the queues that used to build up to enter the site,
and I hope they keep the booking system when the lockdown
restrictions finally disappear.

Informally, among my friends and relations: "I'm carting some stuff
to the Recycle. Got anything I can take?"
that's rare, though. Every week or two, our waste collection
service takes paper and cardboard/ cans, plastics, and bottles/
compostable food waste/ and unrecyclables, separately, to dump or
the Recycle on our behalf. What they decide they can't use goes
into the waste stream.

It varies quite remarkably between local councils. Ours does
something similar every fortnight for glass, paper, cardboard, and
garden waste -- grass clippings and pruning, mainly (for which we
pay an extra fee) -- but there's no food waste service.
Every month or two, though, we seem to discard enough stuff to merit
a tip trip -- broken things, miscellaneous bits of metal and wood,
and larger garden waste (bushes that my wife the gardener has given
up on, or broken/discarded plant pots -- there are only so many
shards of terracotta that we can make use of).

Our food waste was originally scheduled for biweekly pickup, but a
public outcry forced them to make it weekly.

Lewis

2021-06-15 13:55:17 UTC

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign
said "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

It was a "Civic Amenity Site" in these parts not long ago, but
nowadays it's a "Household Waste Recycling Site", which does
seem more honest.

That's what ours is called (well, ours is a "HWR Centre" rather
than a "HWR Site"), but while it's still referred to informally
as "the tip", that always slightly unsettles me.
A Household Waste Recycling Site has separate skips for wood,
garden waste, metal, cardboard, wood, rubble, small electrical
appliances, etc. and one for general household stuff that can't
be recycled.
But my mental image when someone says "the tip" is still a
landfill site: enormous piles of undifferentiated rubbish being
shaped by JCBs or bull-dozers; lots of gulls flying around.

What? No lower-caste women and children scavenging on mountains of
rubbish?

Post by HVS
All "Household Waste Recycling Sites" are "tips", but you can't
refer to a "tip" and assume that people will think of an HWRS.

I disagree with 'tip' = 'HWRS'. Normally recycling centres are
those open to private persons/households (rubbish sorting centres)
, while tips are places where lorry drivers take assorted
lorry-loads for dumping.

A reasonable distinction, but our HWRS will take at least some
commercial vehicles for a fee; there's no charge for private
vehicles, unless you're dumping building rubble, which attracts a
Ł2.50 charge per rubble sack, for private householders. [1]
I'm surprised, though, that you wouldn't call it a "tip"
(informally, as noted). I can't think of any situation where I'd say
"I need to take some stuff to the recycling depot" -- let alone "to
the Household Waste Recycling Centre" -- instead of "I need to take
some stuff to the tip" (or "make a tip trip"). [2]
[1] If you're a private householder using a commercial vehicle --
say you've borrowed a builder's van -- you have to convince them
that you're legitimately private. I have no idea how you do that.
[2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff off,
so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way* better
than the queues that used to build up to enter the site, and I hope
they keep the booking system when the lockdown restrictions finally
disappear.

Informally, among my friends and relations: "I'm carting some stuff to
the Recycle. Got anything I can take?"
that's rare, though. Every week or two, our waste collection service
takes paper and cardboard/ cans, plastics, and bottles/ compostable food
waste/ and unrecyclables, separately, to dump or the Recycle on our
behalf. What they decide they can't use goes into the waste stream.

We have two large wheelie bins, one is black and is picked up every week
and contains garbage. The other is purple and contains recycling, but is
only picked up every other week.

Our purple bin is always stuffed to overfilling, and it takes about 4
weeks to fill the black one, on overage.

By default the purple bin is half the size of the black one, but we
requested a larger one, so ours are basically the same size though
slightly different shapes.

Our purple bin takes all the recycling except for wood, so is filled
with cans, paper, cardboard, and most plastic containers.

There is a recycling drop-off a mile or three from our house which we
have used when we have a lot of cardboard for some reason. The actual
garbage dump is quite a long way away and you have to pay for anything
you bring. We used it once for a load of yard waste in a full-sized
pickup truck. The charge was, to my mind, excessive and we would have
been better off parceling it out over a few weeks in the garbage can.

We have some large juniper bushes near the house that we want to get rid
of, but getting rid of the several tons of dead juniper waste is one of the
critical problems with this.

--
"Why, you stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking... NERFHERDER!"
"Who's Scruffy looking?"

CDB

2021-06-16 13:32:58 UTC

Post by Lewis

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the
sign said "WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

It was a "Civic Amenity Site" in these parts not long ago,
but nowadays it's a "Household Waste Recycling Site", which
does seem more honest.

That's what ours is called (well, ours is a "HWR Centre"
rather than a "HWR Site"), but while it's still referred to
informally as "the tip", that always slightly unsettles me.
A Household Waste Recycling Site has separate skips for
wood, garden waste, metal, cardboard, wood, rubble, small
electrical appliances, etc. and one for general household
stuff that can't be recycled.
But my mental image when someone says "the tip" is still a
landfill site: enormous piles of undifferentiated rubbish
being shaped by JCBs or bull-dozers; lots of gulls flying
around.

What? No lower-caste women and children scavenging on mountains
of rubbish?

Post by HVS
All "Household Waste Recycling Sites" are "tips", but you
can't refer to a "tip" and assume that people will think of
an HWRS.

I disagree with 'tip' = 'HWRS'. Normally recycling centres are
those open to private persons/households (rubbish sorting
centres) , while tips are places where lorry drivers take
assorted lorry-loads for dumping.

A reasonable distinction, but our HWRS will take at least some
commercial vehicles for a fee; there's no charge for private
vehicles, unless you're dumping building rubble, which attracts
a Ł2.50 charge per rubble sack, for private householders. [1]
I'm surprised, though, that you wouldn't call it a "tip"
(informally, as noted). I can't think of any situation where I'd
say "I need to take some stuff to the recycling depot" -- let
alone "to the Household Waste Recycling Centre" -- instead of "I
need to take some stuff to the tip" (or "make a tip trip"). [2]
[1] If you're a private householder using a commercial vehicle
-- say you've borrowed a builder's van -- you have to convince
them that you're legitimately private. I have no idea how you do
that.
[2] Since lockdown, we've had to book a time slot to drop stuff
off, so it's now "I need to book a tip trip". It works *way*
better than the queues that used to build up to enter the site,
and I hope they keep the booking system when the lockdown
restrictions finally disappear.

Informally, among my friends and relations: "I'm carting some stuff
to the Recycle. Got anything I can take?"
that's rare, though. Every week or two, our waste collection
service takes paper and cardboard/ cans, plastics, and bottles/
compostable food waste/ and unrecyclables, separately, to dump or
the Recycle on our behalf. What they decide they can't use goes
into the waste stream.

We have two large wheelie bins, one is black and is picked up every
week and contains garbage. The other is purple and contains
recycling, but is only picked up every other week.
Our purple bin is always stuffed to overfilling, and it takes about
4 weeks to fill the black one, on overage.
By default the purple bin is half the size of the black one, but we
requested a larger one, so ours are basically the same size though
slightly different shapes.
Our purple bin takes all the recycling except for wood, so is filled
with cans, paper, cardboard, and most plastic containers.
There is a recycling drop-off a mile or three from our house which
we have used when we have a lot of cardboard for some reason. The
actual garbage dump is quite a long way away and you have to pay for
anything you bring. We used it once for a load of yard waste in a
full-sized pickup truck. The charge was, to my mind, excessive and we
would have been better off parceling it out over a few weeks in the
garbage can.
We have some large juniper bushes near the house that we want to get
rid of, but getting rid of the several tons of dead juniper waste is
one of the critical problems with this.

I forgot to mention that our composters take garden waste during the
warm season, and fir-trees one week after Twelfth Night.

Many people now keep those until Spring, though, as shelter for our wee
brethren and sistern, and any other wee siblern there perchance may be.

Lewis

2021-06-16 17:25:12 UTC

Post by CDB
I forgot to mention that our composters take garden waste during the
warm season, and fir-trees one week after Twelfth Night.

We have a compost service, but it is a very small can, you have to pay
an extra charge for that can, and it is picked up only once a month. It
is intended for kitchen waste, I think as it's not large enough even to
hold grass clippings.

They WILL pick up some yard waste, branches and such, if they are tied
into bundles no more than 5' long, but only some, and only sometimes.

There is a period of time in late December and early January where they
will pickup christmas trees, but since this is right after we put ours
up, we’ve never taken advantage of this service. I believe they have
stopped picking up by Twelfth night, but our tree is up at least
through the end of January.

Post by CDB
Many people now keep those until Spring, though, as shelter for our wee
brethren and sistern, and any other wee siblern there perchance may be.

--
The Steve is seen, rightly or wrongly, as the visionary, the leader,
the savant. Bill is the Boswell to The Steve's Johnson, but
lacking Boswell's wit, charm, and dynamic personality.

Peter Moylan

2021-06-16 01:04:27 UTC

Post by CDB
Informally, among my friends and relations: "I'm carting some stuff
to the Recycle. Got anything I can take?"
that's rare, though. Every week or two, our waste collection
service takes paper and cardboard/ cans, plastics, and bottles/
compostable food waste/ and unrecyclables, separately, to dump or the
Recycle on our behalf. What they decide they can't use goes into the
waste stream.

Most Australian cities run a three-bin system, but there's a catch. A
year or so ago China decided to stop taking our recyclables for sorting.
There aren't enough Australian companies doing the same thing, so I
suspect that a lot of recyclable waste goes straight into landfill.

Our local council does seem to be doing a good job of converting green
waste - including food scraps, but excluding oyster shells - into
compost, but I think it's still searching for a solution for paper,
cans, plastic containers, etc.

Waste paper is a big problem because of the enormous amounts produced by
the advertising industry. (Most of which goes directly into the bin,
unread.)

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Lewis

2021-06-16 02:59:09 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
Waste paper is a big problem because of the enormous amounts produced by
the advertising industry. (Most of which goes directly into the bin,
unread.)

And most of it is very difficult and expensive to recycle, AIUI.

--
This man was clearly mad, but at the heart of his madness was a cold,
dreadful sanity, a core of pure interstellar ice in the centre of
the furnace. She'd thought him weak under a thin shell of
strength, but it went a lot further than that. Somewhere deep
inside his mind, somewhere beyond the event horizon of
rationality, the sheer pressure of insanity had hammered his
madness into something harder than diamond. --Wyrd Sisters

Anders D. Nygaard

2021-06-16 19:55:31 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
Most Australian cities run a three-bin system,

The Danish government has recently introduced a nation-wide ten-bin
system, due to take effect next month. This is a consolidation of
various local N-bin systems which have been in effect for years.

Post by Peter Moylan
but there's a catch. A
year or so ago China decided to stop taking our recyclables for sorting.
There aren't enough Australian companies doing the same thing, so I
suspect that a lot of recyclable waste goes straight into landfill.

We had similar teething problems with the local systems, and the
consolidation is intended to allow sufficient scale to make investments
in recycling plants (even more) wortwhile.

Post by Peter Moylan
Our local council does seem to be doing a good job of converting green
waste - including food scraps, but excluding oyster shells - into
compost, but I think it's still searching for a solution for paper,
cans, plastic containers, etc.

Talk to the Danish embassy; I'm sure they will be more than happy to
set up contacts for technology and knowledge transfer.

Post by Peter Moylan
Waste paper is a big problem because of the enormous amounts produced by
the advertising industry. (Most of which goes directly into the bin,
unread.)

We have for a long time now had a system where households can declare
(at the post office) that they do not want these pamphlets, and get
a sticker to attach to your letter-box stating that declaration.
These stickers are by now almost fully respected, even by the 13-year
olds who deliver the reams of useless paper.
(Full disclosure: We have such a sticker)

/Anders, Denmark

soup

2021-06-17 11:12:05 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
Most Australian cities run a three-bin system,

The Danish government has recently introduced a nation-wide ten-bin
system, due to take effect next month. This is a consolidation of
various local N-bin systems which have been in effect for years.

Ten bins for each household?

There will be no space for anything with ten bins each.
We are in a cul-de-sac 18 houses in this cul-de-sac alone 180 bins ,
nah!

Must be something that uses less plastic (and space).

Big metal dumptser things (rather than individual bins) would be too
expensive, and we already have one of the highest community charges.

Maybe the car park down the road could be adapted sort of a mini
recycling centre with ten skips/dumptsers/containers and the whole
village could use it, only way I can see this working.

Ten skips in rural areas yeah, ten buckets per household, nah!

BTW I live in a village on the outskirts of Edinburgh (Balerno) it is
actually three miles beyond the Edinburgh bypass but it is (officially
at least) part of Edinburgh city

https://postimg.cc/CRC06Bks

Anders D. Nygaard

2021-06-17 21:44:42 UTC

Post by soup

Post by Peter Moylan
Most Australian cities run a three-bin system,

The Danish government has recently introduced a nation-wide ten-bin
system, due to take effect next month. This is a consolidation of
various local N-bin systems which have been in effect for years.

Ten bins for each household?

No, more like three bins, possibly subdivided, for the most common
fractions, and communal skips or similar for the less used.

We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage
anyway; we mostly sort at the site of production. Annoying at first
(lots of "what goes where" questions), but it has become a habit.

I think we have eight buckets or similar in appropriate places around
the flat (bio, plastic, cardboard, paper, batteries, "everything else",
glass, bottles/cans); the remaining fractions we either do not produce
(branches and others from the garden), or produce rarely enough that
we find room for them by the door (chemicals, furniture, ...) and take
them down when convenient.
(No; these are not the exact ten fractions I mentioned, but close
enough to convey the spirit)

Post by soup
There will be no space for anything with ten bins each.
We are in a cul-de-sac 18 houses in this cul-de-sac alone 180 bins ,
nah!

Sure, but you might be able to find room for 50 bins and 7 skips.

Post by soup
Must be something that uses less plastic (and space).
Big metal dumptser things (rather than individual bins) would be too
expensive, and we already have one of the highest community charges.
Maybe the car park down the road could be adapted sort of a mini
recycling centre with ten skips/dumptsers/containers and the whole
village could use it, only way I can see this working.
Ten skips in rural areas yeah, ten buckets per household, nah!

Agree, and this is what we have ironed out by trying various setups
over the years with various N-bin systems.

Post by soup
BTW I live in a village on the outskirts of Edinburgh (Balerno) it is
actually three miles beyond the Edinburgh bypass but it is (officially
at least) part of Edinburgh city
https://postimg.cc/CRC06Bks

Lewis

2021-06-18 06:02:39 UTC

Post by soup

Post by Peter Moylan
Most Australian cities run a three-bin system,

The Danish government has recently introduced a nation-wide ten-bin
system, due to take effect next month. This is a consolidation of
various local N-bin systems which have been in effect for years.

Ten bins for each household?

They used to have separate bins for separate types of recycling, but it
was discovered that the number of people who would sort at all, much
less correctly, was very low, so we have a "single stream" system where
we out ALL out recycling into one container that is then sorted at the
recycling center.

--
Forgive your enemies, but remember their names.

Stefan Ram

2021-06-18 11:56:17 UTC

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage

The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
plants must be dismantled.

In the Anglo-Saxon world, things are quite different.
One can read:

|Why Garbage Chutes Are Essential to Apartments
|
|Garbage chutes are extremely common to large apartment and
|condominium buildings, and it's easy to see why.
|These methods of garbage disposal are really practical for
|residents and employees who use them, minimizing their time
|and effort, and maximizing their ability to keep the place
|they call home clean.

Adam Funk

2021-06-21 07:46:29 UTC

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage

The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
plants must be dismantled.

I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?

Post by Stefan Ram
In the Anglo-Saxon world, things are quite different.
|Why Garbage Chutes Are Essential to Apartments
|
|Garbage chutes are extremely common to large apartment and
|condominium buildings, and it's easy to see why.
|These methods of garbage disposal are really practical for
|residents and employees who use them, minimizing their time
|and effort, and maximizing their ability to keep the place
|they call home clean.

--
A man can't just sit around.
---Larry Walters

Peter Moylan

2021-06-21 07:06:01 UTC

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage

The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
plants must be dismantled.

I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?

Probably the same people who flush organic waste down the kitchen sink.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Mack A. Damia

2021-06-21 15:24:47 UTC

On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 18:06:01 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage

The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
plants must be dismantled.

I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?

Probably the same people who flush organic waste down the kitchen sink.

Kudos for garbage disposals.

Lewis

2021-06-21 22:30:10 UTC

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage

The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
plants must be dismantled.

I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?

Probably the same people who flush organic waste down the kitchen sink.

That's what the garbage disposal is for.

--
Blatant mistakes are the best kind. - John W Baxter

Stefan Ram

2021-06-21 16:26:22 UTC

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage

The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
plants must be dismantled.

I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?

The Senate Department of Urban Development said in 2009,
"Tenants of large apartment complexes with drop-off chutes
dispose of more residual waste overall than in large
apartment complexes without drop-off chutes.".
The high proportion of paper and cardboard waste in the
residual waste was particularly striking to that department.
There also were hygienic and fire safety concerns.

However, the Association of Berlin-Brandenburg Housing
Companies said that they found /less/ residual waste from
houses with garbage chutes than on average. Overall, this
issue was contentious. Newer chutes eliminated some of the
problems of older chutes.

Adam Funk

2021-06-21 17:55:00 UTC

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage

The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
plants must be dismantled.

I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?

That's what I'd expect.

Post by Stefan Ram
There also were hygienic and fire safety concerns.

That makes sense.

Post by Stefan Ram
However, the Association of Berlin-Brandenburg Housing
Companies said that they found /less/ residual waste from
houses with garbage chutes than on average. Overall, this
issue was contentious. Newer chutes eliminated some of the
problems of older chutes.

Maybe newer ones have several adjacent chutes for different waste
streams?

--
If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take
a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind,
here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and
meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.
--Gene Roddenberry

Quinn C

2021-06-21 16:53:52 UTC

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage

The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
plants must be dismantled.

I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?

I associate them with cockroaches - the only time I heard of a building
being shut down for cockroach infestation in Germany, it started in the
garbage chutes, which therefore were going to be shut down. 1990s.

But that doesn't qualify as "environmental grounds".

--
Democracy means government by the uneducated,
while aristocracy means government by the badly educated.
-- G. K. Chesterton

Adam Funk

2021-06-21 17:56:00 UTC

Post by Anders D. Nygaard
We live in a flat, where we already have to carry down the garbage

The Berlin House of Representatives in Germany has banned
garbage chutes "on environmental grounds". Still existing
plants must be dismantled.

I assume that's because they make it too easy for people to dump
recyclables in with the non-recyclable waste?

I associate them with cockroaches - the only time I heard of a building
being shut down for cockroach infestation in Germany, it started in the
garbage chutes, which therefore were going to be shut down. 1990s.
But that doesn't qualify as "environmental grounds".

Pest problems fall under "environmental health" in British jargon, but
I wouldn't assume things would line up similarly in German.

--
To live without killing is a thought which could electrify the world,
if men were only capable of staying awake long enough to let the idea
soak in. ---Henry Miller

Adam Funk

2021-06-17 08:31:59 UTC

Interesting exclusion: what about clam shells?

Post by Peter Moylan
compost, but I think it's still searching for a solution for paper,
cans, plastic containers, etc.
Waste paper is a big problem because of the enormous amounts produced by
the advertising industry. (Most of which goes directly into the bin,
unread.)

--
My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a
whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's
hardly any difference. ---Harry S Truman

Janet

2021-06-14 14:17:27 UTC

In article <***@news.ducksburg.com>, ***@ducksburg.com
says...

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

If you went to one, you'd find "Waste management park " is far from a
dump; it's its a transition zone where useful waste is delivered and
sorted into numerous categories for specialist recycling.
If you're on friendly terms with the staff it's an endless free source
of useful material for upcycling, DIY projects etc.

Janet.

occam

2021-06-14 15:42:03 UTC

Post by Janet
says...

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

In Luxembourg, you do not need to be on friendly terms with anyone in
order to do that. Pre-COVID, there was a special room where people could
deposit their unwanted (but perfectly good) stuff, e.g. childrens' toys,
CDs, picture frames, vases, etc, for others to pick through.

When my kids were very young, they would jump at the opportunity to come
with me to recycling. While I was busy throwing away paper/bottle/metal/
wood objects, they would come away with all sorts of toys. (The latter
would normally return to the recycle centre a few weeks later...)

Adam Funk

2021-06-14 15:43:04 UTC

Post by Janet
says...

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

I've been to "household waste recycling centres"; I didn't mean "dump"
as an insult.

--
"Every national border in Europe," El Eswad added ironically, "marks
the place where two gangs of bandits got too exhausted to kill each
other anymore and signed a treaty. Patriotism is the delusion that one
of these gangs of bandits is better than all the others." --R A Wilson

Ken Blake

2021-06-15 00:36:05 UTC

Post by Janet
says...

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

It should also be noted that "Waste Management" is a company name.

--
Ken

Horace LaBadie

2021-06-14 15:06:52 UTC

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

In the USA, Waste Management Park is more than likely to be a stadium,
sponsored by the Waste Management Company.

Or a PGA tournament site, "Stadium Course at TPC Scottsdale."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Open>

J. J. Lodder

2021-06-14 21:13:15 UTC

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".

There is one in the Netherlands renamed to 'Col du VAM',
after the company that built it.
They laid some steep bicycle paths on it, some cobbled.
It attracts racing cyclists from far away,

Jan

Adam Funk

2021-06-15 10:33:59 UTC

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".

There is one in the Netherlands renamed to 'Col du VAM',
after the company that built it.
They laid some steep bicycle paths on it, some cobbled.
It attracts racing cyclists from far away,

You're talking about a former landfill that's been turned into a bike
park, though?

The waste management park I mentioned was still in use for waste
management.

--
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the freaks said,
man, those cats can really swing!

Peter Duncanson [BrE]

2021-06-18 22:40:34 UTC

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".

There is one in the Netherlands renamed to 'Col du VAM',
after the company that built it.
They laid some steep bicycle paths on it, some cobbled.
It attracts racing cyclists from far away,

You're talking about a former landfill that's been turned into a bike
park, though?

Now that's what I call re-cycling!

Post by Adam Funk
The waste management park I mentioned was still in use for waste
management.

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

J. J. Lodder

2021-06-19 20:23:53 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".

There is one in the Netherlands renamed to 'Col du VAM',
after the company that built it.
They laid some steep bicycle paths on it, some cobbled.
It attracts racing cyclists from far away,

You're talking about a former landfill that's been turned into a bike
park, though?

Now that's what I call re-cycling!

Up-cycling even!

Jan

Peter Moylan

2021-06-15 00:16:05 UTC

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

Some of the people who drive the garbage trucks here like to call
themselves garbologists.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Quinn C

2021-06-16 00:13:30 UTC

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

Some of the people who drive the garbage trucks here like to call
themselves garbologists.

The janitor at my son's elementary school had a sign on his door
declaring him an "orthomopologist" (or some equivalent - in French,
anyway).

--
If men got pregnant, you could get an abortion at an ATM.
-- Selina Mayer, VEEP

Quinn C

2021-06-16 00:13:27 UTC

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

Germany did you one better there since the 1980s or so:
"Entsorgungspark". "Disposal park" (no waste mentioned), but if you only
listen with half an ear, it may suggest "get-rid-of-your-sorrows park".
This became especially poignant when it was also used for nuclear waste
disposal sites. Many have mocked it, but the word isn't entirely gone.

--
Nancy had bitten her tongue to keep from asking any questions.
She was deeply afraid that Lundy would attempt to answer them,
and then her head might actually explode.
-- Seanan McGuire, Every Heart a Doorway

Adam Funk

2021-06-16 08:32:01 UTC

Post by Quinn C

Post by Adam Funk
We went past one near Cambridge a few weeks ago --- the sign said
"WASTE MANAGEMENT PARK".
As you were, comrades.

"Entsorgungspark". "Disposal park" (no waste mentioned), but if you only
listen with half an ear, it may suggest "get-rid-of-your-sorrows park".

Funny.

Post by Quinn C
This became especially poignant when it was also used for nuclear waste
disposal sites. Many have mocked it, but the word isn't entirely gone.

Well, I think more nuclear power (not using the traditional reactors)
is what the world needs.

--
By filing this bug report, you have challenged my
my honor. Prepare to die!
---Klingon Programmer's Guide

J. J. Lodder

2021-06-16 11:29:44 UTC